The Pain of Relocating For A Job - Ask HR Wench
I try to avoid hiring people that will have to move across the country to work for my company.
Why? Because it is almost always a nightmare. A nightmare for the candidate, their family and for me.
Also: it requires too much paperwork. I hate paperwork.
At one company I worked for, they had relocation down to a science. They had a full time relocation expert who also handled immigration (H1-B visas and that kind of thing). As a high tech company with a need for all kinds of engineers, this made sense. Other companies I've worked for? Meh. We mostly only relocated bigwigs, and only when it was REALLY necessary.
I suppose it is no surprise to you, dear readers, that *I* have never relocated for a job. Nor do I plan to anytime soon.
With that, I give you a reader's question on the pain that is relocation. Warning: this is a long one (even with editing).
How do I get a novice HR team to honor/follow their own contracts?I know you're looking for answers on what you should do now, but allow me a few words on what you should have done first. I offer these not to berate you, Lost in Mass, but to provide a warning flag for other readers that may be considering relocating for a job:
I moved across the country, leaving a large company to join the management ranks at a small/mid-sized company in Massachusetts. As part of the negotiations (some via email) the company was to provide:
- Financial and advisory assistance to sell my original home,
- Familiarizing me with the new area,
- Providing extended temporary housing and
These services went beyond the company's original relocation policy.
- Locating an affordable new home.
I got the customary, "We (HR) are here to help." When the offer came, I had to write in some of the specifics, signed it and sent it back. The HR follow-up was that they needed to retype the write-ins into the contract. Foolish me didn't realize that the revised version didn't capture every write-in (even though these were already agreed upon).
There was a looming acceptance deadline. I was assured by the, "We are here to help." I didn't raise more of an issue, until I requested that the first line item (extra months of temporary housing) be honored as originally agreed upon. This was rejected by an unseen HR rep. The reason given was the contract didn't cover it and it was outside policy.
Things began to snowball when home selling assistance didn't manifest itself and any direct request for help to avoid personal financial ruin was meet with, "Certainly you can sell your old home yourself," and, "No hire in our history has ever had the problems you are saying you have."
The most difficult part was trying to get HR to see that that vendor they required me to use to locate a new home was altering my financial applications (to Fannie Mae) to try to get me into a home that cost much more than I could afford. These concerns were typically met with,"Let's have a meeting in the future to discuss these issues." Yet such meetings were usually me talking to 2-3 HR reps (never upper management) staring into space with no actionable recourse, just more "Let's meet again at a later time."
After months of this, the final proposal was to offer me a one time payment of a few dollars and sign a new contract saying that:
- I won't look for any more assistance (note they still haven't met their first half of the original contract specifically to aid me in home sales) and
So now I am looking for some options. The ones I can think of are:
- To agree that if I leave the company to pursue other jobs I need to pay back everything (quoted "both realized and unrealized").
(1) Send it way up the flagpole, thereby either possibly agitating everyone and limit my career or maybe-just maybe getting the right decision makers to move;
(2) Take what miserly "shut-up" bribes are offered and sit quietly;
(3) Leave the company for another; or
(4) Go for external arbitration- which will costs me a lot of money and may label me as a company litigator. If the day-to-day work environment wasn't such a truly rewarding experience, my choice would have already been made.
Can you offer any other options that I may have missed or use your knowledge to let me in on some of the secret inner thought processes of the HR species and ways to get to a common ground? How do I get a novice HR team to follow their own contracts?
-Lost in Mass
- If you receive an offer letter that does not contain all of the items negotiated DO NOT SIGN IT. Do not write anything in and then sign it. Call the hiring manager, not HR. Let the hiring manager know what's up and let them go to HR to fix it.
- Repeat #1 as necessary until every line item (outside of normal policy and benefits for your level of position) negotiated is included in the offer letter. If you sign without all of the negotiations listed, be prepared to wave goodbye to those items.
- If, for some reason, HR and/or the hiring manager refuses to put something in the offer letter ask them why. They may have a very good reason for it. For example, I never put "we will provide you with a safe place to work" in an offer letter. Why? Because it's the law that I provide that, ya silly goose. It's not negotiable.
- Locating a new home is something I have never seen a company promise. I have seen promises to provide a vendor for a limited amount of time/flat dollar amount to assist in locating an appropriate home, but otherwise that's a pretty lofty promise.
- Don't wait months for anything. Let your boss and HR know about screw ups immediately, if not sooner. Some hiring managers will not want to deal with these things and push you to "just talk to HR about it". I hate to say it, but that is not the best manager. A manager wants their new hires to succeed and helps remove obstacles so employees can do their jobs.
Great!
Assuming ditching this job and moving back to your old one is out of the question, I would do the following:
Do some serious research on costs (those already incurred by you and the company and those expected) and plunk it into Excel. Talk to your boss (who, I'm assuming is an executive). Lay it all out for him or her in a tactful way. Don't whine. Admit your mistakes. Offer the executive your win-win solution (which, in my book, is the highest one-time payout possible....use your research to prove your business case for this). As far as pay-back goes, offer a "graded" solution: you repay 75% if you leave in less than a year, 50% if you leave after 18 months, etc.
Readers - what do you think?
Cross posted at BlogHer


15 comments:
No additional advice, other than to echo the "don't sign it if it isn't what you want."
I recently negotiated a contract. I said, "this says x which, taken literally means I cannot write anything related to HR and business anywhere but with you. I can't sign that." Well, the editor said, "let me have you speak to legal."
So I did. Legal said, "well, yes, it says that, but it MEANS something entirely different."
I said, "I need it to say what it means."
"Oh, everyone signs it like that!"
"I'm not everyone," I said. Plus, my brother is a lawyer so that means free legal advice for me! (Don't you wish your brother was a lawyer.) My brother re-wrote the offending paragraph, I sent it to legal and they sent me a revised contract.
ta-da! More expensive if you don't have a lawyer for a brother.
Well, the contract is already signed, so what I hope for is that you have a copy of the changes you initially signed and all of the emails relating to the negotiation. If you do, I'd print them all out, bring them to HR, sit down, and "discuss a solution." Sit down with the Director/VP of HR, not an associate or anyone else. Explain your concerns. Have you been proactive in finding a new house? If so, explain what steps you've taken. Be firm, but polite. Hope to God they fear the proof you have, and offer you money.
Evil - Excellent example of advocating for yourself in a professional manner! PS What is your brother's number again? He gives blogging colleagues discounts, right? :)
Anon - If I was an HR pro and in this situation, I wouldn't be scared. Sure, the employee could take it to arbitration, but my company would probably be paying for that arbitration. Translation: we win. Sucks but it's true.
Talk to your manager immediately. HR has already shown they're not particularly helpful in this situation; why go back for more of the same? Tell your manager what's going on. Be calm and rational; don't let your irritation show. Just calmly explain that HR doesn't seem to be clear on the terms as they were negotiated and ask her to intervene to get it fixed.
If you have a decent manager, she will be horrified this has been going on and will handle it for you.
AAM - I was actually going to email the reader and ask a bit more about the whole manager part. Where the heck IS the manager in all of this? If I were the manager, I would be doing a super-freak-out over this.
Sure, I bet my brother would be happy to give lots of discounts to my blogger friends. Of course, he's not licensed in your state. He's not licensed in my state, either, but that hasn't stopped me!
Evil - State schmate!
That's what I tell him when I call. He's a good lawyer so he always gives me tons of disclaimers--I'm not licensed in your state. Your state laws may vary, blah, blah, blah. But, he gave me the right legal words! Plus, he did my will for free! (I gave him a gift certificate for a restaurant, but free!)
Of course, it may not be valid in my state and for some reason it says, "I leave all my worldly goods to my youngest brother..." Hmmm.
I read this post and the dilemma of the relocatee with interest. A while back I worked with a company that provided relocation support to employers. What the writer here was offered was pretty standard for my clients. Some were moving overseas and as you would expect the policy then got a bit more complicated. But in all cases the ultimate aim was to get the employee from A to B and focused on their job as quickly as possible. The amount of distraction time the writer experienced must have cost the employer ( maybe actually the employer they were leaving - I am not sure of the chronolgy)!
Advice on relocation policies - keep them simple, deliver what you promise and remember that relocating can be an emotional time for an employee so give them support!
End of rant.
OMG, I can't even read this. Post-traumatic stress...
JC - That's a rant I can support 100%.
Almost - Oh noes! Do you need to look at some LOL Cats for treatment?
As always, lots of great advice from Wenchie and the all-star crew of commenters.
In this situation, I would ignore HR, take it up with my manager, then go one level up. If the problem's still not resolved by then, run for my life!
So sad, these HR douche bags make me look good ;-)
Happy - It's amazing how many HR depts and management groups fight with each other instead of FOR each other. In some places, that "working theory" is so institutionalized it's impossible for even the best HR pros to conquer it. Sad, really.
For HR and Hiring Managers I agree with what HR Wench said up front - avoid relocations whenever possible! They use up time and energy that could be better invested in searching for/developing local talent. I think they often set up an employee to fail because now that s/he was brought in for a job there is an expectation for silver bullet type results. Stressful all around!
And for the employee - please, you are manager level yet you failed "Negotiations 101." Being willing to up and move on the basis of "we are here to help" just doesn't sound like good business savvy to me.
Seems like this particular staffing event did not result in a strong match for either side when all is said and done. Yes, dotting all i's and crossing all t's takes time from both sides but I am a firm believer that taking time is not always bad - how both sides respond as they work through the process is a great indicator of their level of professionalism on a daily basis. As one of my mentors constantly pounded into my head, "There are no guarantees but a high quality process is a better predictor of a high quality outcome." In this case, the initial process was way flawed and this is the result.
CE - You bring up a very good point. The person asking the question has indeed failed in negotiations 101. Since he is a manager, this is concerning.
I hate it when people (including me!) don't advocate for themselves. I also hate it when people feel like they have to do whatever a company offering them a job says because they NEED the job to support their family.
Bottom line: there is always time and reason to advocate for yourself and everything is negotiable until you're dead.
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